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Oh, cool! You found a mistake AND told me. That’s nice. What I meant was “merged” or something similar ;-)

Thanks again for taking your time to discuss things like that!

Besides: I cannot see other problems than money in this very case… What do you think would be a problem for both communities joining? If you see any.

But I am not the “average joe” who doesn’t care about CSS, XHTML and stuff. I do care! I like to see my skills improving. Thesis is a perfect framework for those willing to learn and make progress.

Headway seems to be the option for those who actually do not want to benefit from a framework “as-is” to improve their skills.

You could see where my misunderstanding would be. =) I’m not entirely sure what 99% pure means, but I’ve apparently found that Headway is the best tool for myself, whereas Thesis is the best tool for one of my friends. I see no reason why the two communities couldn’t be fused. If money were truly the only reason for developing wordpress themes, I think we’d see crappier support and much more price-based competition.

Oh, and being fusioned is not grammatically correct…”fusioned” actually isn’t a word. Sorry, that was bugging me. Good luck with your blog and have a fantastic day!

thanks for stopping by and sharing your opinion.

I’m sorry for making a statement that generates misunderstanding!

Headway of course is not only for non-coders, it’s for everybody – just as Thesis is.

As you might have realized, I’m currently maintaining a 99% pure Thesis Theme site, so it’s only natural that most of my visitors think about Thesis as the best tool to work with. You apparently think that Headway is…

I’d love to have both communites being fusioned – but that is never going to happen ;-)

Money rules the (WordPress Theme) World.

I have used Thesis, and compared to Headway, I find that Headway gets the job done (for me) faster and more efficiently. Does it have bugs? Yes. But so did Thesis in the earliest versions.

On a side note:It hardly seems relevant to complain about bugs in a beta.

Considering the visual editor is a new type of technology, I’m willing to allow it time to grow and solidify.

I’m struggling to see where most of your comments have come from. I’ve seen the Headway community from all sides and I can tell you it is a growing, supportive, and productive one. And personally, I think “total control over elements” does provide a good solution. The more control, the easier the modification.

@Ramses – I agree that Thesis is perfect for building and for those who care. But you can do all that in Headway too, with the Hooks system and full control over the CSS and HTML coding. I like it personally because I’m not a coder so the visual editor aspect is awesome (for me); but it’s also built for coders as well. Just an FYI, Clay (the developer) has been known to not like Hooks because he’s a hands-on coder, but he knows that others like them – so I think that answers a lot about coders getting dirty with it. :)

At the end of the day, I think it’s great that Thesis has some genuine competition which it hasn’t really had up to now, and it’ll be interesting to see how Thesis 2.0 stacks up.

End of the day, it’s us who are the winners :)

Headway rocks. That is for sure. But I am not the “average joe” who doesn’t care about CSS, XHTML and stuff. I do care! I like to see my skills improving. Thesis is a perfect framework for those willing to learn and make progress.

Headway seems to be the option for those who actually do not want to benefit from a framework “as-is” to improve their skills. Headway looks great and is highly customizable – but I want to use custom functions and dig into the hooks :-)

Let alone pricing… who cares if he benefits from what he buys?

@Nick - Oops, spent all my lines on answering Pete, sorry! Just one thing: I’m also very curious about the response from the themes community! I think Headway is going to be the HUGE underdog…

Over the past 24 hours I’ve spent roughly 5 hours tinkering with the new Headway 1.5b theme. Personally I think what they are trying to do is noble. I like the idea of bringing the power to the individual regardless of CSS knowledge.

That is great, but when an experienced wordpress user has issues making a decent looking site that isn’t jumbled or floated funny I just can’t say that it will be the new top dog.

I suggest that you give Headway 1.5b a spin if you haven’t. Spending hours trying to create a coherent site because you have to edit multiple system template is a joke.

Their editor is powerful and has a “WOW” factor, but there are just flat out — TOOO many options and they are ineffectively displayed. The average joe WILL get lost. I would not recommend this theme to my MOM, let alone someone who has 0 knowledge with wordpress.

Personally I can’t WAIT to see what the response is from the general themes community.

But yeah… with the visual editor for non-coders and coders alike, plus full CSS and HTML options along with the license options on Headway, I’m swaying more toward that for my new site.